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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-(

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Apache wrote:Hope Casper and Daisy are improving x
Daisy is fine and has finished her course of Panacur, she just had a bout of stasis brought on by the stress of going to the vets for the day with Casper so I don't take her with him any more to avoid it happening again.

Casper was back at the vets last Wednesday for a check up. He has also finished the months course of Panacur. I'm still waiting for the results of the 2nd blood test as my vet has made them do several things again! His head tilt and 1 ear flopped forward have gone back to normal which is great :D :D his inflamed eyeball is a lot better but not back to normal yet so he has to carry on with 1 of the eyedrops 3 times a day for another month, Metacam is being reduced over the next month, this is for his eye. He is almost finished the Baytril and AB eyedrops :D :D

Luckily his appetite is back to normal and he has put back on the weight he lost :D

Thank you for asking :D
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-(

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That's brilliant news!

I'm so pleased to hear that Daisy is ok, and Peter is nearly back to normal :D
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-( UPDATE

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Update on Casper my vet rang me yesterday to say at last the results from Caspers 2nd blood test are back. The verdict is he didn't have EC, although he has had or possibly still has an infection of some kind and his kidney levels were raised. Therefore the vet wants to do a 3rd blood test to check if his kidney levels have gone back to normal and presume to see if the infection has gone, unlikely he had a kidney infection as vet says this wouldn't of caused a head tilt and the inflammed eyeball (uveitis) both of these are symptons of EC :-\ :-\

It's all a bit odd really but for the moment the head tilt has gone and the eye is improving. So he is booked in for Friday 13th to have another blood test hopefully the last one. Just really hoping the kidney level is back to normal and he doesn't have anything wrong with his kidneys, if he has not sure what you can do for kidney failure in a rabbit? Fingers crossed he'll be OK.

He seems to be OK in himself and eating properly again, although strangely his behaviour when out in the run is different now to what it used to be, he will no longer jump up on top of his house and sit on his vetbed, he used to spend all day sitting there as he so loves to be warm, he seems to spend all the time sitting on a conrete slab facing the house, or chewing the legs of the house. It is really weird maybe he is unable to jump up onto his house now? I have put him up onto it a couple of times and he can jump off of it. Any ideas anyone?
His behaviour in his hutch hasn't changed.
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-( UPDATE

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Very strange, although good news for Casper that it wasn't EC, is he less active generally?

Nettles are meant to be a good tonic for kidneys, it could be worth offering him some.
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If it's not EC could it be something to do with his ears? I think inner ear inflammation can also cause head tilt?
Glad Casper is eating :)
sue :)
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Apache wrote:Very strange, although good news for Casper that it wasn't EC, is he less active generally?

Nettles are meant to be a good tonic for kidneys, it could be worth offering him some.
I wouldn't say he is less active generally, just a bit different behaviour when he is in his run, it's difficult to describe really he just seems a bit different to how he used to be :-\

I have some nettles growing in my garden, I have tried drying them before and giving them to the bunnies but they didn't like them! If it does prove to be a kidney problem I will try them again ;) he is also on Echinacea which he loves (bought a big tub of horses one) but that's more for his immune system.
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sdf76 wrote:If it's not EC could it be something to do with his ears? I think inner ear inflammation can also cause head tilt?
Glad Casper is eating :)
sue :)
Well he has had his ears checked several times and vet said they are very clean, unless it's more sort of thing in his head that you can't see. However he has been and still is on Metacam since the end of January so if there is any inflammation anywhere it should be lessening, the Metacam is for his inflamed eyeball, his Metacam is now on reducing dose and he still has nearly 3 weeks left to go on it.

I will ask the vet to check his eye again on Friday when he goes in for his blood test too. I visited Sue at Southampton Rabbit Rescue on Saturday and was talking to her about the results and she says the blood tests for EC aren't really very reliable (she's a veterinary nurse) so says he could of had EC even though the results say no!

Guess I'll just have to wait for the blood test results on Friday to come back till I know for definite if he has a kidney problem so probably won't know for another couple of weeks :( but at least he's better than he was and is eating OK even if his behaviour is a bit different.
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-( UPDATE

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At least Casper is generally happy in himself :-)

I did have another thought, when my Mist (horse) had uveitis the vet explained it to me that the eye goes into spasm and dilates, which causes photophobia and pain ( i was very lucky that she only had it the once) could the head tilt be to protect the eye, and staying off the vet bed avoiding bright light?

Hope he keeps improving x
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-( UPDATE

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Foofy wrote:
sdf76 wrote:If it's not EC could it be something to do with his ears? I think inner ear inflammation can also cause head tilt?
Glad Casper is eating :)
sue :)
Well he has had his ears checked several times and vet said they are very clean, unless it's more sort of thing in his head that you can't see. However he has been and still is on Metacam since the end of January so if there is any inflammation anywhere it should be lessening, the Metacam is for his inflamed eyeball, his Metacam is now on reducing dose and he still has nearly 3 weeks left to go on it.

I will ask the vet to check his eye again on Friday when he goes in for his blood test too. I visited Sue at Southampton Rabbit Rescue on Saturday and was talking to her about the results and she says the blood tests for EC aren't really very reliable (she's a veterinary nurse) so says he could of had EC even though the results say no!

Guess I'll just have to wait for the blood test results on Friday to come back till I know for definite if he has a kidney problem so probably won't know for another couple of weeks :( but at least he's better than he was and is eating OK even if his behaviour is a bit different.
Yes EC is very difficult to diagnose even with titre tests, but the important thing is that Casper has had medication for EC now :) and his head tilt has gone. :)
If your vet has already cheched Casper's ears then I'm sure they are OK. :) You sound like you have a very competent vet. :)
inflammation of the inner ear is also a very difficult thing to diagnose :( and it doesn't really matter now Casper's head tilt has gone, what it was, does it? ...If he hasn't got head tilt then he can't have an ear problem. :)

yes - I was reading an article from the House Rabbit Society by Susan A Brown in the USA which says EC is very difficult to diagnose even with titre tests and the only certain way is with a brain biopsy! which obviously wouldn't do the rabbit much good!! It's a lengthy article, and obviously many things aren't applicable...( I doubt that Casper has been near Raccoon droppings! ;) and various medical treatments which would not be approved here). However It gives a good explanation of rabbit pathology and head tilt in particular. It mentions that eye problems can sometimes be caused by the eye on the downward side of the head tilt, brushing against the floor. Hopefully Casper's eye will improve on the metacam :)

Head tilt can also sometimes be caused by an infection. Capser has had treatment and the head tilt has gone so I think your vet was correct in the medications he gave, as it made Casper better. :) whether it was Ec or an infection, what matters is that the head tilt has gone. :)

it is often difficult to interpret the results of the titre blood tests.
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Rising antibody levels ( that is the 2nd titre test level of antibodies is higher than the first) usually means the rabbit is fighting an EC infection at present. This may mean the rabbit could fight it off himself in time but most vets would give treatment for EC to be sure. If the difference in antibody levels is not marked then the diagnosis is much more difficult. Vets will always take into consideration any classic signs of EC the rabbit may be exhibiting before reaching a diagnosis.

The problem is that some rabbits may have come into contact with EC years before (sometimes from the mother rabbit) and it lies dormant, so will have antibodies in their blood but not have EC. Also many rabbits who have tested positive do not have any signs of EC, and those with signs of EC have tested negative.

I do hope the results of the kidney test will be good.
Get well soon Casper!
sue :)
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Re: Casper is poorly, looks like EC :-( UPDATE

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Apache wrote:At least Casper is generally happy in himself :-)

I did have another thought, when my Mist (horse) had uveitis the vet explained it to me that the eye goes into spasm and dilates, which causes photophobia and pain ( i was very lucky that she only had it the once) could the head tilt be to protect the eye, and staying off the vet bed avoiding bright light?

Hope he keeps improving x
My vet also told me that uveitis is very painful, he didn't mention the photophobia though, I think the eye pain may have been the reason his eating was slowing down and why he had his eye half closed when he was eating. Although the uveitis hasn't completely gone yet he is still on eye drops 3 times a day (steroid ones) and Metacam for the pain and inflammation, the vet says it takes a long time to go completely and has a habbit of coming back if you don't treat it for a long time :(
I don't think staying off the vet bed on top of the house is a light issue as where he sits now is in fact lighter and early morning in the sun, he was sitting in the sun this morning so I don't think the bright light can be hurting his eye. I think it may possibly be the fact that he couldn't jump up onto the house when he was very wobbly a couple weeks back and is maybe nervous about it now even though he is no longer wobbly. He can jump down off of it fine when I sit him on the top, he won't stay on it now!
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